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Nominations

James Dole

I think its an impressive yet concise article on James Dole, the founder of the Hawaiian Pineapple Company that later became Dole Food Company. Its rare to find an article with great prose like this with great historical pictures, too. The writer should be commended. --James Easton 17:35, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Satori 23:13, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
• See, here's where we run into trouble again with this whole Featured articles/Featured articles business. I think this article is fine for featuring on the main page, but I don't think it deserves particular recognition for outstanding writing. Exploding Boy 01:46, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)

Gender role

Just read this. It's very well written, seems quite complete, and deserves recognition. Exploding Boy 05:52, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

• Minor objection - can you expand the lead section? →Raul654 05:54, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • What, the section above the ToC? I think it's a good intro -- succinct and easy to understand. The concept is fully described in the body of the article. Isn't that how it should be? Exploding Boy 06:04, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • According to the usual Ireland Information Guide News style, the intro for an article that size would want to be about 2 paragraphs, and to summarise the main points of the rest of the article. Morwen - Talk 06:23, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Ireland Information Guide: News style specifically says that articles don't have to follow that style. The main article on News style says:
        • The lead is the first sentence, or in special cases the first two sentences. The top-loading principle applies especially to leads, but the unreadability of long sentences constrains the size of the lead. . . . the goal is to articulate the most encompassing and interesting statement that a writer can make in one sentence, given the material he or she has to work with.
        • While a rule of thumb says the lead should answer most or all of the 5 W's, few leads fit all of these in. If they did they would either be tedious, opaque with jargon or too long.
        • The second paragraph is a fine place for vital information that does not appear in the first. At the very end comes the non-vital material.
      • On the other hand, Ireland Information Guide: Lead section says that "the appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than two or three paragraphs."
      • Now, I'm not trying to be pedantic here, but since there are no specific guidelines, and we can't even agree here, all of this bears fleshing out. Actually, this article's lead section is one paragraph... But I'll see what I can do. Exploding Boy 06:33, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • Expanded lead section. Exploding Boy 06:42, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
• Nice article. Objection: needs pic, or several. Then support - David Gerard 15:31, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Any suggestions for photo? The obvious thing would to be have a 1950s-style married couple. 80.229.39.194 15:33, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • The '50s married couple. Transvestites. Hermaphrodites. Manly men. Womanly women. That's just off the top of my head. There must be pics aplenty already on Ireland Information Guide for the purpose - David Gerard 15:40, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. I've thrown together a quick graphic of the mars and venus sigils that are commonly used to symbolize gender roles. I think it would look ok as the graphic for this article on the front page, but it might be too cheesy. If someone finds a better photo (is there something from the kinsey studies that can be used here) feel free to replace it. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:37, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

1964 New York World's Fair

Stumbled upon this--seems quite comprehensive. jengod 23:59, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

• Support. 81.168.80.170 10:00, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

steel

Lots of solid information. 81.168.80.170 20:05, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Good article. Satori 21:00, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

• Object - could use some information on the current state of the steel industry and an economic view. For example tariff battles and the rise of the efficiency of micro mills which has revolutionized the industry. Though finding information on that may take a better googler than I. Also, the intro refers to non-carbon steel that is never again mentioned in the article. Inquiring minds want to know. - Taxman 21:44, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

Igor Stravinsky

Self nomination. Rewrote a short and poorly written article. Marlowe 19:57, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. However, a nit: the portrait by Picasso is in BMP format; this should be changed to a more standard format. 81.168.80.170 20:20, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. EXCELLENT. small nit: city should be called St. P., not Saint P. (here's some trivia: locals never use the Saint except in officialese) A. Shetsen 04:45, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Changed to 'St.'Marlowe 21:49, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support: really well written and structured article on a major figure. Bmills 10:11, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object reluctantly: lots of great content. However I think that someone with a golden quill needs to go over it for stylistic reasons; several sentences come across as containing too many commas, being too long or just being a bit clumsy. I've had a little go at fixing this but haven't finished (or done a particularly wonderful job). Lupin 11:10, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Just spent some more time picking over text and constructions. Ommited some commas where extraneous, and left others where helped with clarity. Also noticed that you and a few others have made some great edits. Hopefullly this clears up your objection.Marlowe 21:49, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Tynwald Day

This is a self-nomination. It would have been nice for me to have thought of this last month, so that objections could have been resolved and the article displayed on the main page on Tynwald Day (July 5), but since I did not, I presume we will have to wait until next year. -- Emsworth 19:31, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. If Emsworth wants to singlehandedly dominate FA for years to come, who am I to stop him? Meelar (talk) 19:41, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Generally a good article, but some repetition needs tidying up. Foor example, these three facts are stated twice: Monday if the 5th is a weekend day, hill is artificial, flag bears three leg symbol. Also, should the flag image be placed by the 1st mention to clarify the symbol right away? If these are fixed, I'll support. Bmills 13:51, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Okay, I've addressed these issues. -- Emsworth 17:03, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Operation Downfall

Self nom. It's a little something I wrote. I think it's pretty accurate and complete. Also, regarding the image - I spent 6 months trying to get permissions to use it, but it's basically proven hopeless. There's a GFDL version under construction right now. →Raul654 19:15, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Short but sweet, a good read. Meelar (talk) 19:33, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Marlowe 19:39, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Good stuff. 81.168.80.170 20:35, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support - David Gerard 20:59, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object - excellent article with hopefully easily fixed objections
  • The Estimated Casualties section is a little hard to follow. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th "paragraphs" seem to contradict the 1 million casualty estimate, and a single "however" in the next paragraph suddenly switches gears.
    • The paragraph you refer to was added by someone else later and I've never really liked it. I have removed most of it and refactored the rest. →Raul654 22:23, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
  • The first sentence in the 5th paragraph starting "however" is unclear - "...higher American casualties to Japanese casualties compared to those before." - before what? Before in the Pacific, or as compared to the D-day numbers just referenced? What two campaigns are being referred to and what really is a campaign? Sorry, I'm just not well versed in military terminology.
    • (See above →Raul654)
  • Maybe it is just my leariness that the categorization scheme will ever be robust enough, but just putting it in a category with no See also links seems to make it harder to access more background articles for the topic. - Taxman 22:14, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm not quite sure what you are objecting to - can you clarify? →Raul654 22:23, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

PaX (Linux)

Contested -- July 13

self-nomination

PaX is an article about a security patch for Linux. I enjoy using PaX, and wished to show my support by writing an article on it. As the article is well written, and work that I am particularly proud of, I felt I could nominate PaX for FA.

The article is very accurate, as I've written most of it from my experience and from data I've read on PaX, and have had the developer run over it for me to make sure there were no factual issues.

Even though I am a hardcore PaX supporter, I leave my personal feelings about PaX out of the article. I believe that I can best support PaX and the diffusion of information about it by avoiding any propagandist slur or influence in the article itself. My goals are to present a complete and concise description of what PaX is and what it does, and I believe that I have achieved this in PaX.

I believe that the article is written in such a way that it only presents the user with complete and concise information about what PaX is and what it does, and leaves him with only deep technical questions which can be answered by visiting the PaX homepage--linked to in PaX--and reading through the several pages of technical documentation. This is exactly what an encyclopedia is supposed to do.

--Bluefox Phoenix Lucid 04:10, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object. My general impression is that this is a long way off from being a feature-worthy encyclopedia article and currently reads like a piece of technical documentation. I'd recommend a spell on Ireland Information Guide:Peer Review first. Some specific problems: 1) Who is the author of the patch? The article should mention this. 2) The lead section is incomprehensible to a non-specialist, even to a computer science graduate. It's OK for a Featured Article to be technical, but the lead section should provide an overview, and provide definitions or wikilinks to essential concepts which might be unfamiliar for the reader. 3) Moreover, throughout the article, more links need to be given to technical concepts mentioned, even if the articles don't yet exist. 4) Any famous users of this patch? — Matt 04:34, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Explain (2) please. Do computer science graduates not know what occurs inside a computer? Particularly, do they not understand the basic concepts of memory managment and virtual memory? Or does "Least Privilage" confuse people? Nonetheless, I concede that somehow I managed to spit out incomprehensible gibberish grammerically. This has been rewritten. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
    • Sure; computer science graduates do indeed have at least a vague idea of what goes on inside a computer. However, there's probably few who could understand "Executable Space Protections to take advantage of or emulate the functionality of an NX bit; and Address Space Layout Randomization to obfuscate ret2libc" without further explanation, and the article currently offers no way of finding out the meaning of the undefined technical terms. — Matt 19:45, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Check my work, I've added a wikilink but the page doesn't exist. Also, check currently section 1.1. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • I think I satisfied (2) and (3). Please check my work and strike if you agree. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • (1) and (4) I've satisfied. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
• Object. I agree with the above objections. Also, the article is lacking a discussion of why PaX is significant. The feeling I get from the article is almost that PaX is just one security patch that implements several ideas implemented by other people. Does PaX make a technical contribution? Is there a significance to how it affects society? What's the impact? Without being POV, of course, the article needs to make the argument. Zashaw 05:06, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I can't help your "feelings" that you get from the article. I show what PaX supplies. It supplies a lot, and there's no reason why supplying more than one thing should imply that you stole the ideas or code from everyone else. The best I can say is, look at the date given in section 3 for when PaX came around. It grew from there. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • Added section 1. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
• In addition to that, it needs information about 'why the patch is needed'. Why isn't it in the mainline kernel? Morwen - Talk 06:22, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • As I understand it, the author isn't ready to advocate PaX for mainline yet, as it doesn't work on all architectures. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • I noted this on the article now in section 1. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
• Object as of this date's version. The article covers a signficant approach to a serious problem, has more than merely Linux relevance, and deserves a WP article. There is, buried in the version of this date, a possible featured quality article. The technical issues cannot be described without some obscurity to the previously unexposed and so this is acceptable in such an article. However, even so technical an article can be structured as to help such a Reader. This version is not. Newspaper pyramid structure is redundant, overly wordy and repeats too much, but it does put the most approachable account right at the top. This article does not do so, and for so technical a topic, this is a major problem for the Reader not already familiar with the topic. There is some discussion of the virtues of good 'narrative arc' in articles on technical topics at Talk:Secret sharing which may help illuminate my objection. ww 20:24, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • OK, this interests me. Would you be willing to help with this? The most important part of an article is its factual accuracy (which implies NPOV), but a very close second (almost a gemini) is how well it conveys the information to the reader. If I'm missing on one of these points (you say the second), that's bad. Should I move section 1, Why PaX is significant, to the top? --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
• Illustration needed. A diagram helping explain the concept to the less technical reader would do nicely. - David Gerard 21:34, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Bask in the awesomeness of my obvious lack of drawing skills :) --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • I misread the instructions earlier and have been striking out peoples' objections as I satisfy them. Please strike this one if you find the diagrams adequite. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
    • Those are just what I was thinking of :-) Now I would like a shrubbery something theoretically main-page-friendly. That's not an objection to FAC status, btw, just a request for a nice bit of eyecandy. - David Gerard 10:32, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I'll see if he'll let me use the PaX Tux.  :) --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
      • Anyone is free to prettify my diagrams; but you should note that the simplistic display brings more attention to what it is rather than "ooh eye candy. . . wtf was this supposed to be?" Go ahead and make wavy, curvy, 3D cute things if you like; but try not to make it less point-in-face.  :) Also try to keep the same size. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid 16:17, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Not an objection: A bit more on why the authors want to remain anon would be appropriate. Particularly given that, in the wake of the recent unpleasantness, the chance of an anonymous patch ever getting into the kernel is zero. This sort of behaviour from an open source author is more than just somewhat odd, it's distinctly weird - David Gerard 10:32, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • He says, "tell him 'just because' ;P" --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
    • How convincingly childish of him - David Gerard 20:11, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • No law says he has to give you his name. I've only recently released my name to the public. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
        • FIGHT THE POWER!!!1!1!!!!11! FUCK YOU I WON'T DO MY HOMEWORK! as the band sang. No, but it has helped form my opinion of him - David Gerard 22:10, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
          • Now you're just being childish. --John Moser 05:17, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • He also says, "also tell him that i don't want to get pax into the kernel," which is noted in the article --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid

Oceanic Whitetip Shark

(Contested - July 13)

• alright, a cryptoanalyst thinks articles on sea creatures should have photos. there's no photo available. i disagree on that assessment, but dowanna argue; it's withdrawn.
• Don't be too hasty. Support. Exploding Boy 07:09, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
• Object. 1. The sections (perhaps even the whole article) are too short. 2. There are no references; if the External Links are used as such, they should be properly formatted, for example in (not necessarily in) the APA Style. 3. Some measurements provide Imperial equivalents, while others do not. Either all measurements, or none of the measurements, should provide Imperial equivalents. 4. Capitalisation varies in the article. It uses "Oceanic Whitetip" as well as "Oceanic whitetip." Which is correct? 5. Several sections require wiki-links. -- Emsworth 18:23, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Father Damien

(Uncontested -- July 13)

Father Damien - has a picture, and a TOC, and nice prose. RickK 23:51, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Johnleemk | Talk 10:38, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Some minor points that need to be addressed. Jeronimo 11:22, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The external links do not point to anything specifically about Father Damien. Since there are no book references either, there's no good lead given to find out more.
  • A movie was made about his life, but there's no mention of it here.
  • The picture, while so old that it is in the PD, could do with source information.
  • Some of the text seems overly dramatic, e.g. "A surefire death sentence", "sacrificed his life".
  • All my objections have been resolved to my satisfaction; support. Jeronimo 07:16, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• A related point to the overly dramatic text, this article seems to take a very pro-Damien POV. If he's loved by everyone, fine, but there's really no need for things like: "He showed them that despite what the outside world told them, they were worth his own life. He showed them that what was left of their lives was precious. He restored personal pride and dignity." This isn't really a factual statement, strictly; it's just bad prose. Meelar (talk) 15:05, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. I added details about the photo of Father Damien and edited the main body of the article to address the pro-Damien POV issue and took out all that dramatization stuff. I also added details about the movie, Moloka'i: The Story of Father Damien. --Gerald Farinas 15:59, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. But it would be nice to have some account of the criticisms that RLS replied to. Markalexander100 03:04, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I added a treatment of the criticisms of the Presbyterian church leaders of Father Damien, as suggested by Markalexander100. --Gerald Farinas 19:49, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support, but some personal details on Damien's life (perhaps before the church) would be welcome. Meelar (talk) 14:34, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• <s>Object - the article repeatedly refers to Hawaii as Hawai'i and Molokai as Moloka'i. They are the native language names, but definetely not the common ones. These are distinctly against policy. ("This is an English language encyclopedia, so for most geographical names of large and/or important features (countries, states, continents, oceans, seas, major cities, major rivers and lakes, etc.) the English name is used in preference to any term that is clearly from a language other than English." - Ireland Information Guide:Proper names) →Raul654 07:25, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • While the place names are official under the terms of the 1978 Hawaii State Constitutional Convention, I took →Raul654's concern over the use of the 'okina and removed instances of proper-Hawaiian place names and replaced them with their American translations to satisfy the anti-Hawaiian-language movement that is quite pervasive at Ireland Information Guide (Talk:Hawaii) --Gerald Farinas 14:23, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support now; looks good. Also, Gerald, you should read the Ireland Information Guide:Naming policy poll. →Raul654 14:56, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • I didn't realize there was a poll. Thanks for the link. --Gerald Farinas 15:16, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Jesus

(Contested - July 13)

I'm not really his biggest fan, but this seems like a worthy article. blankfaze | (беседа!) 12:08, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Update: On second thought, you all might have some points. Oh well, it seemed like a good idea at the time! blankfaze | (беседа!)

Info: previous nominations were Ireland Information Guide:Featured_article_candidates/Archived_nominations#Jesus_Christ and Ireland Information Guide:Featured_article_candidates/Archived_nominations#November_2003 — Matt 23:07, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Factual nit: Do most Christians really "accept as a basis for their faith the divine authority of the Bible"? Also, do we have an article covering the divine authority of the Bible? Seems like something we'd already have and could link to. anthony (see warning)
  • I'm not sure if the answer is most but certainly many do, especially fundamentalist Christian groups. Maybe even the Roman Catholics. The Ireland Information Guide article about the concept is biblical inerrancy, and similar is biblical canon. The dates of birth and death could use an emphasis that c. means approximate. Either a link from c. to circa, writing the word out, or a link to the wiktionary entry which is where circa should be. - Taxman 14:31, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)
    • Thanks. I added a link and changed the text a bit. If anyone has a problem with my changes we can discuss it on the talk page. anthony (see warning)
• Object. Where are the references? Also, the section before the table of contents is too long and unattractively laid out. And how about some more pictures? Is that the only kind of representation? Exploding Boy 14:59, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • There's a passel of pictures at Images of Jesus. Smerdis of Tloen 15:37, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. A little more on those who question the historical existence of Jesus would not go astray. For instance, can we substantiate the 'Most scholars believe...' claim?Bmills 15:13, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. (a) The article should really be called Jesus Christ, as the Jesus alone is a male given name in some culture, and its use by itself for Logos tends to be a hallmark of certain evangelical sects. (b) The term Christian as used throughout the article is difficult, because the various sects have different interpretations of Christology. (c) The Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical interpretations should be labelled as such. (d) In the Western tradition, Catharism, Gnosticism. (e) Nestorianism (f) Wiccan, pagan, etc. references: satanism, perhaps? (g) Alleged relics of Jesus -- 'alleged' is already POV (I'm agnostic, BTW), and in any case the article must be filled in, it's red as I write it. (h) Resurrection must be filled in. (i) On the scholarly side, could do with more detail on the various critical movements. One last comment: it's a pretty good article as it stands, especially on POV in general. But it needs a lot of work: to be featured, this topic

must be really, really well done. General WIKI comment, not merely about the article, and not part of the objection: too many articles spend too much time saying "many historians (scientists, etc.)" instead of specifying the names of the people or movements, possibly with subarticles. A. Shetsen 16:28, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object. Current content is good, but prose isn't brilliant; important subarticles don't exist; layout and sectioning is eccentric; intro is long & stilted; needs much more content. Pines for heavy editing; many deep naming, context, and narrative issues need to be resolved. See also A.Shetsen's comments above. - Sj
• Object. One sentence sections such as Jesus#Alleged_relics_of_Jesus should not exist. Most others, such as Jesus#Islamic_perspectives_on_Jesus and Jesus#The_resurrection, are short as well. The article needs a massive reorganization so we are not left with huge broad sections such as Jesus#Jesus'_life_and_teaching and then small sections as named above. Consider merging smaller sections. I'm also puzzled by the particular ordering of the sections - why #3 is not grouped with #7-9 and the difference between #1 and #6. #4 and #5 also look like they belong together. --Jiang 08:19, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

Francis P. Fleming

(Contested - July 12)

A rather obscure 19th-century Florida governor. This is the most the most information from one source anyone can get on the Internet. Neutrality 05:29, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Oppose. There's no lead section so I wouldn't know why he deserves an article until the fourth paragraph. It's a nice short article otherwise, but not detailed enough for featured status. If there's not enough information on the internet, I'm sure there should be plenty in print for those dedicated enough... --Jiang 07:57, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Expanded lead section. Neutrality 22:44, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • While a 2 sentence introduction is an improvement from 0, it is still too short. →Raul654 02:37, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
      • it's not too short given the size of the article; it's the article itself that's too short. --Jiang 02:52, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Agree with Jiang. Too short, not detailed enough for FA. blankfaze | (беседа!) 10:38, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose, uses non-free image image without clear copyright status information. anthony (see warning)

  I'm confused by the image's copyright status. If it's from the government website, isn't it public domain? Anthony, since you have done more research on this area, can you clarify this image's status? - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 14:50, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

  No. It's from a state government web site, and U.S. states do not all put their publications in the public domain. California does, AFAIK, but Florida doesn't. I've updated the image description page to give the source and a pointer to the applicable copyright statement. Using the image in this article may be fair use, but the image is certainly not PD. Lupo 15:11, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  Wow, thanks. Is there a Ireland Information Guide topic with all of the various government websites and their copyright status? - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:33, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

  This is all irrelevant, because it's not a work of the state of Florida, it's a work of the artist who drew it (and therefore it has passed in the public domain). Neutrality 23:37, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  And how do you know that the painter didn't transfer his rights to the state of Florida? Might be a possibility, especially for an "official portrait", don't you think? Lupo 14:21, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  Ireland Information Guide:Avoid copyright paranoia. Do you have any evidence that this is routinely the case? - David Gerard 14:37, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  Your reference to copyright "paranoia" is unwarranted. I'm only trying to point out that this image may not be in the public domain. A prudent assumption, given that it is published on a Florida state government website which does claim copyright. Lupo 14:45, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You have two cows

(Contested - July 12)

Excellent piece. I copyedited some of it, but otherwise not a self-nom. Neutrality 02:30, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

• Object. Article is mostly a list, and a sourcetext list at that. Snowspinner 02:33, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

• Object. The list doesn't belong here. Should give only a couple of examples, examining them in detail. The non-list material is good, however. 195.167.169.36 09:10, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object. This is an encyclopaedia, not a (very unfunny) joke book. Bmills 09:46, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Che Guevara

(Contested - July 11)

This article has abviously been the subject of some significant argument over time (Talk:Che Guevara), but I do think that it is now a remarkably well-written biography, decently NPOV, and showing the work of numerous authors. (Not self-nom, I've never edited this page) Palnu 01:35, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. jengod 04:35, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Pretty comprehensive. 195.167.169.36 12:03, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Johnleemk | Talk 14:20, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Object. I think the article is great and has a great use of pictures, but I have some concerns about the non-standard elements of the article. First of all, I don't see why the infobox is used. I thought that was only for taxonomy and the like. Are we planning on using that in all biographies? Also, all of the quotes should be moved to Wikiquote. Promoting this article to FA in this stage would encourage non-standard formatting of other articles. Please correct me if I'm wrong and if any of these elements are standard, in which case I will reverse my vote. I have reversed my vote, but I think that the CheIcon.jpg should be the main picture. It really catches the eye, and, in my opinion, Che is much more relevant as an icon than as an actual historical figure. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 15:32, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)

Che is much more relevant as an icon than as an actual historical figure? Maybe to Americans, but certainly not to Cubans. 172 03:32, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

To Ireland Information Guide's audience (the world). - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:04, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

• Object. I agree with DropDeadGorgias on the infobox. Also, the image in that infobox claims the picture is in the public domain because it is of a historic figure, which seems dubious to me. Another picture has no source stated. Jeronimo 16:55, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

To clarify, these images are problem areas for me:

Image:Che guevara black and white bust photograph.jpg "When originally uploaded this photograph was listed as being public domain, however I have been unable to corroborate this. However the photo is well-known photo of a historically significant individual, so the case for fair use within Ireland Information Guide is pretty overwhelming." - why?

Image:Felix Ismael Rodriguez.jpg "This image may not have information on its source."

Jeronimo 11:02, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• As this is a non self-nom with mild objections, I've taken it myself to try to resolve these objections (although I don't really know enough about the kid to write about him). The infobox has been removed, with a notice why on the talk page. I have updated one of the images which claimed to be PD but probably wasn't. This image - Image:Felix_Ismael_Rodriguez.jpg continues to lack source information. Could some kind fellow/fellowess figure what to put on that page. The final objection is to do with quotes - the suggestion was to remove them all - this seems wrong - it is standard practice to keep a few quotes. If there are too many, then we can delete from here and add an external link to wikiquote. Unfortunately I cannot judge which are the most significant quotes and are thus worth keeping. Pcb21| Pete 18:13, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Good article. Was actually one of the first Ireland Information Guide articles I ever read, when I was doing a little research, and helped attract me to the Wiki community. Satori 19:13, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Support. Definitely agree about moving quotes to Wikiquote. Sections like "Hero cult" and "Movies and Plays" seem awkward, and could probably stand to be rearranged or combined. And that iconic image could stand to be MUCH more prominent, especially if this makes the Main Page; many people know Che solely from that image, and placing it a little higher up could stand to draw them into the rest of the article. Although I realize that Main Page status is not determined here, if/when this article makes it there I think we should use the iconic image. We can argue about that later, though. - jredmond 19:28, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • As this is not a self-nom it would be *great* if you could fix some of this up as you see fit yourself. THanks! Pcb21| Pete 19:58, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm working on it now, although I may have to switch back to Actual Work™ at any moment. Thanks for the reminder, though. - jredmond 20:18, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • As I nominated it, I figured I could do something vaguely useful. I have reduced the number of quotes to five, based on those that appealed to me rather than any kind of historical significance, and added link to a very comprehensive page at Wikiquote. Palnu 21:56, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Good call on those quotes; I like what's left. I've also combined the "Hero cult" and "Movies and plays" sections into "Che's enduring reputation". Am not sure how to deal with Image:Cheicon.jpg, though — it works so nicely in that section that I'm currently hesitant to move it. With the right caption, though, we could move it higher. - jredmond 22:10, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • Thanks for the clean up guys, tis appreciated. I did a little tinkering with the sources and further reading area, but haven't touched the important bit, the prose. That bit seems to read rather well to this layman. Pcb21| Pete 00:23, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The drawing power of the iconic image isn't enough to justify moving it up the article, IMO. The current arrangement of images, with a conventional portrait at the top, is exactly right for the article. I note there's a separate article about the image, Che Guevara (photo), which already has good depth in its analysis of the imagery and could in time be a featured article itself. 81.168.80.170 22:26, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Even if the iconic image isn't the one toward the top (and it should not be-- the top photo should be a portrait), the iconic image placed in the hero cult section can be the one featured on the main page. BTW, neutral on feature status. 172 23:33, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • • After reviewing a few things and considering my earlier post, I agree with both the anon-user and 172 here - keep the iconic image where it is in the article. If/when we put this up front, though... - jredmond 19:23, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • That image's copyright information is incorrect. The images page states that it's used by permission, citing a statement by the photographer that he's "not averse to its reproduction by those who wish to propagate his memory and the cause of social justice throughout the world". I don't think that's Ireland Information Guide policy. The photographer has asserted copyright; we don't have permission to use it; and while there may be a fair use argument for using it on Che Guevara (photo), I don't see one for using it here. Markalexander100 07:51, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • Support. I'm sure the artist wouldn't mind using it for an encyclopedia. 10:39, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Object. The "iconic image" is a copyvio. Markalexander100 00:48, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The image has now been removed. Information Guide.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Che_Guevara&diff=0&oldid=4645073 (http://en.Ireland) 172 03:27, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Markalexander100 06:47, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Comprehensive and informative article. ato 06:39, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. After the recent rewrite, this is now an outstanding profile of one of the 20th C's most famous cultural icons -- Viajero 07:49, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Niiice article. blankfaze | (беседа!) 10:36, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Uses non-free image, Image:Che guevara black and white bust photograph.jpg and image without source info, Image:Felix Ismael Rodriguez.jpg. anthony (see warning)

The Scream

(Contested - July 11)

A very nice article about an important painting. We are not very strong on fine arts, and this may give us some momentum. Danny 19:58, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Oppose for the moment. The "alien" section is a concern to me; it comes out of nowhere and has no context. Since this is quite a short article, such a peculiar reference must either be extremely important in the overall story, or should not be there at all. Denni☯ 21:04, 2004 Jul 11 (UTC)
• Oppose. I hate to impose a length requirement, but this is awfully short for a featured article. maybe add a section on artists who influenced The Scream, or were influenced by it? Meelar (talk) 22:00, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose. Very short, and the alien section is a little strange. I'm not sure if this can be fleshed out into a good feature article. I agree there should be more fine arts features, but not sure about this one. Satori 23:07, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
• Needs more stuff on the painting's iconic nature in popular culture. I used to have an inflatable 'Scream' on my monitor - David Gerard 23:40, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is a good non-feature article, but lacks breadth. Should be expanded with discussion of the painting's influence on later art, its physical form, explanation of how the painting expresses the "infinite scream", ownership history, more complete analysis of the "grey alien" theory, comparison with other paintings. 195.167.169.36 11:19, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• On the pop culture bit: one specific thing to mention is that the painting was the inspiration for "Ghostface" the baddy in the Scream film trilogy. I would add this myself but I have a feeling that a more complete pop culture overview is coming! Pcb21| Pete 11:23, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

History of the Peerage

(Uncontested -- July 10)

A self-nomination. -- Emsworth

• Yes, again. Great work. James F. (talk) 10:44, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Good article. Satori 18:52, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
• I can't say that I can find anything really objectionable in this article. Support. blankfaze | (беседа!) 23:36, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. It is well written. One minor note, the link to James Parke doesn't have an article yet. Other than that, perfect. Revth 04:34, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support - "I've learned something today" Palnu 04:43, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Another good one. 195.167.169.36 16:37, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• (Not an objection) Looks fine, but I have some minor remarks: 1) the Queen Anne image is not dated. I assume it is contemporary (so no coypright issue), but I'd like to be sure. 2) The References section is awfully short, and while the 1911 EB might be a good source and is available only, it certainly doesn't contain recent information, and updated modern views. Any more recent reference works? I'd support with these two issues fixed. Jeronimo 17:01, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • This objection was found under "Hereditary peers" nomination. Since there is no image of Anne on that page, and the References section includes ten references, I presume that this objection belongs in the "History of the Peerage" section? I have therefore moved it. -- Emsworth 17:07, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
  • Queen Anne's image has been dated to circa 1702. As to the references: I added a few works, but only those that I actually used in creating the article (as is the practice for all other articles that I have created). -- Emsworth 17:21, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
    • Just to say I agree with this practice. Adding references just for the sake of FAC hoop-jumping, as has been suggested and indeed implemented in the past, is not a great idea. Pcb21| Pete 18:20, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support now, thanks for the replies (and sorry for the confusion with replying to the wrong article). BTW, I wasn't asking to add more references for the sake of having more references; I just think a good article should include pointers to major works on the topic, even if they haven't been used in creating the article. I helps readers to find more information about the topic if they want to. They shouldn't be added because I (or anybody else) requested them, but because they would improve the article. Jeronimo 20:09, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Comment: It would help if the captions were full sentences explaining why each person got his or her picture in the article. Tips at Ireland Information Guide:Captions. Thanks! -- ke4roh 23:45, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
  • I don't agree with the idea of having complete sentences in captions. In this page, each image is adjacent to relevant content. Hence, it is unnecessary to restate information found in the article. Furthermore, the extended size of the picture box appears wholly inelegant. Thus, I must respectfully disagree with the suggestion. -- Emsworth 00:31, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)
    • I see your point since the text is so closely tied to the pictures. Different people read the article different ways. When I look at an article, I read the first paragraph (or until I hit information overload for that topic) and scan through for anything else interesting, looking at each of the pictures and captions along the way. Tank reads well that way. The captions tell something about the pictures &mdash; and most benefit from it. Admittedly, it's more challenging to write a captivating caption about a portrait, especially in this case, since the information is adjacent in the text — What about putting a teaser in the caption to draw the reader into the article: "William of Normandy overthrew the Anglo-Saxon monarchs bringing a new style of government." Then the reader gets curious about that new form of government and reads text to learn what it is. (You might like to see Ireland Information Guide_talk:Captions#Short captions which addresses short identifying captions of objects.) --

ke4roh 02:34, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

• • • Agreed; long captions are not a good idea in well-written texts. James F. (talk) 14:46, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. 172 22:14, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Nikola Tesla

(Contested -- July 9)

very nice article about famous serbian scientist Avala|★ 19:32, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC) 10:56, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Detailed and extensive, not leaving anything out I can remember right now (even something about Tesla Coils, but not Tesla Troopers ;-)) Anarion 11:00, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• One concern that springs to mind is that there's been some controversy over the article recently (specifically Tesla's ethnic origin, with lots of groups wanting to grab credit for him) - see the talk page. If the ethnic edit warring is stable for a week, call this support See article box objection below - David Gerard 11:36, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The problem was -Tesla born in Croatia in Serbian family. In that part of Croatia people had very funny and different family names-example-Guzina meaning Bigass. So some people stated that he doesnot have slavic last name. But it is all about one of this region's special characteristics. Avala★Talk 11:55, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm not expressing an opinion either way - I'm saying that a workable compromise needs to be reached before it can be called stable enough to be a FA - David Gerard 00:23, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• I am with David. If the ethnic edit war can stay calm for a week, support. DO'Иeil 12:34, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose. The box of Tesla related articles should go at the bottom, in the see also section. Furthermore, the see also section needs to be dramatically trimmed. Perhaps some categorization is in order? Snowspinner 17:06, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
  • nope about that box! it is top box or whatever it is called! it is placed in the top of the article. see also is never organized, if we have that much see also's than that is becuase we need to. This was just because of Armstrong.Avala★Talk 18:08, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Article series boxes are generally to be avoided, and that see also list is excessive. This has nothing to do with Armstrong, and I would appreciate if you stop accusing me of retalliation. I object to your nominations because they have, for the most part, all needed improvement. Snowspinner 19:31, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
      • I think we are done with the box, We agreed that see also should be smaller and it is smaller. The box is just overview of the long article.Avala|★ 19:36, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • I still think the box is jarring up there, and redundant with Category:Nikola Tesla. This would ordinarily not bother me, but the box is the first thing you see in the article. Snowspinner 19:45, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
  • I second the article box objection. I tried shuffling that box and the image around before, and now someone's shifted it back except they've caused a collision. It adds nothing and detracts from the article. I dislike article series boxes in general, but this one is particularly obnoxious and clunky and keeps colliding with the picture. Make it considerably less obtrusive or, better yet, lose it altogether - it's redundant with Category:Nikola Tesla If the box stays gone, I'll be happy - David Gerard 00:23, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. --Yath 19:34, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object - overwheling TOC. Also fails to follow manual of style re: picture placement. →Raul654 19:43, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
  • Objections have been fixed now, although (as the user below says) the see-also section is still too large. →Raul654 08:53, Jul 10, 2004 (UTC)
• Object: "see also" is really overwhelmingly large, and contains some totally spurious links (Government Warehouse?!). Also: "An ongoing lawsuit regarding this was finally resolved in his favor after his death." - whose does "his" refer to? Tesla? -Sean Curtin 09:40, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Neutral. List of articles related to Nikola Tesla is still quite padded. -Sean Curtin 22:10, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support -- JDR 08:37, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC) [scratch this if I can't vote]
• Object - 54 KB makes for a rather long read (not to mention page size warning). Not everybody is interested in going through so much detail (esp for the absurdly long 'middle years' section). I suggest summarizing mention of most of his inventions in this article and move the detailed text to Nikola Tesla's inventions to serve as the body text. Then move the prose from Tesla patents to serve as the lead and overview. Finally move the very long annotated list of patents to List of Tesla patents and link it from the inventions article. --mav 09:23, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • That would be a good slution to the problem of clutter in the article. -Sean Curtin 09:40, 10 Jul 2004
• Object. 1. We need information on certain images, namely: Image:Stesla.jpg, Image:Tesla2.jpg, Image:Serbia100Dinara.jpg, Image:Colorado GeoMag Map.png. 2. Some changes need to be made to the sectional divisions. The "Middle Years" section is rather extensive. Furthermore, the page misuses "quote"—I believe the appropriate word in this context is "quotation." Also, is "Namings" really an appropriate word in this context, or, for that matter, in any context? 3. The navigation box should replace Tesla's image atop the page, and the image sent elsewhere. Navigation boxes belong at the top—they look rather unfortunate in other places. 4. Why is it necessary to indicate in paranthetical format that the Institution of Electrical Engineers is a British body? Similar indications are not made for other bodies. Just the title would suffice. -- Emsworth 02:48, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
  • The series box should not replace the image! For god's sake never push real content down for a navigation box! If anything it should be demoted to a footer or category. --mav 05:10, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Mav is *exactly* right and I believe the MoS backs him up on this. →Raul654 05:20, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
    • The category does in fact exactly replace the article series box, but the Tesla fans appear to be in love with the article box regardless The box appears gone again. Support if it stays that way - David Gerard 13:00, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Neutral if box and see also section are as in the version at July 11, 2004 at 15:33 UTC by Snowspinner. Oppose otherwise. Snowspinner 15:36, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
• Support -- I could stand removing the box if that is prerequisite for having this article featured. But I really don't understand why are you people against it, or boxes in particular. What is wrong with the box in, say, Information Guide.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Nikola_Tesla&oldid=4538002 this revision (http://en.Ireland)? The box is under picture of Tesla, has same width as the picture, even happened to have same height as the TOC. It doesn't eat up any article space (as it is right of the TOC where there is no text), isn't the first thing that people see, and offers useful overview of the most important Tesla-related articles (Tesla's category would likely have more articles than the box). It could be made nice pink to match TOC and image border if that is what bothers you. Nikola 05:29, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Overwikified (only wikify a term once or twice in an article, not each time), persistently if politely POV, and oddly narrated with numerous gaps in grammar and continuity. The article should cover each theme of his life in a coherent paragraph; a single paragraph should not switch from discussions of his financial state to discussions of the state of a legal battle to a note about where he moved that year and what notes he was taking at that time. Needs deep work by someone who cares about the subject and has time to copyedit the entire text for continuity and flow. +sj+ 22:50, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Book of Kells

(Contested -- July 8)

Self-nomination Dsmdgold 23:38, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support, but I'd like a sentence in the opening explaining why it's a particularly cool Bible. Snowspinner 00:26, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
  • Have added sentence to opening stating the importance of the book. Dsmdgold
    • Beautiful. Support strongly. Snowspinner 19:35, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)

• Neutral, would like more history, the names of individuals involved with its discovery, restoration, reproduction -- as far back as such names are known. Beautiful images and subject. +sj+ 01:04, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Covers as much of the known history as might be considered uncontested and useful. Good work Dsmdgold. Bmills 09:47, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Nice work. blankfaze | (беседа!) 21:54, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Neutral - great work! Concise, informative and lively. I'll change to my vote to support if this one minor gripe is fixed: Bibliography is used in a non-Ireland Information Guide standard way. Is that supposed to be a references list or a further reading list? Please specify. --mav 09:33, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Changed this to Further reading. Bmills 10:15, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object. Great work, and will support this, but not until my objections, listed below, have been addressed. Jeronimo 10:41, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The lead section reads: "(...) is considered by many scholars to be one of the most important works in the history of art." This is rather vague. Why was it so important? What was its influence on other artists/writers, both at the time of writing, and later? Where any previously unused techniques adapted in producing the work?
  • The first paragraph of the history section is a bit vague. I understand little is known about the book's early history, but that's the reason I would like some more specifics. Examples:
    • "this tradition is false based on paleographic grounds" -- On what grounds exactly?
    • "he book likely began in a monastery on the island of Iona" -- Why do scholars think that? Is there any evidence to support that? Or this is link only made because St. Columba (traditionally linked with the book) built a monastery there? Please elaborate.

• support - David Gerard 21:01, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

ISO 8859

(Contested -- July 9)

A very comprehensive and detailed article on this very important family of character encodings. Anarion 12:27, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Nice, but it would be good to say a bit more about the state of transition from ISO-8859 to Unicode. Why, for example, does it seem to me that I don't have to worry about the "Character Coding" setting of my Mozilla browser, while this was not the case only one or two years ago? Simon A. 15:28, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Good point, but alas users still use archaic browsers (MSIE, Netscape etc. -- and Netscape is based on old Mozillas). Anarion 08:21, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I don't think an explanation of the behavior of particular web browsers is appropriate for this article, unless the discussion is specific to the ISO 8859. I've updated the section you're talking about, though, to better explain the current state of things. - mjb 21:51, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• The central big table of all characters would need serious checking or regeneration from authorative sources. It would be very emberassing if some error is overlooked. Some days ago I just found a small error with Greek. Pjacobi 10:03, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object. The table of characters definitely needs to be checked. See also this outstanding request for peer review. Furthermore, this article links to separate articles for each part, i.e. ISO 8859-1, ISO 8859-2, etc., most of which are fairly new and none of which have been checked for consistency nor fully updated to match the ISO 8859 article's recent clarifications w.r.t. precise terminology, the fact that it's a single standard with 15 published parts, how "ISO 8859" is (now) an informal citation for "ISO/IEC 8859", and most importantly, the ISO-8859-x character map discussion. All of the articles should also have a history section showing each published version of each part of the standard, if not also summarizing the differences between them (e.g., ISO 8859-1:1987 vs ISO/IEC 8859-1:1998). The description of Unicode in the Alternatives section is unnecessary and should be pared down. (After renaming the Alternatives section, I decided to rewrite and lengthen it... doh.) The paragraph about ISO 8859-17 and the related stub page should be removed entirely. The section title "Character Sets" is inaccurate and should be changed. (done and done.) The 8859-1 article, and perhaps the 8859 article as well, should make careful mention of the historical significance of 8859-1 in HTTP/0.9-1.1 and pre-4.0 HTML. Need I go on? - mjb 10:49, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC) (updated 16 Jul 2004)

• • That link: this outstanding request for peer review?
    • Yes, sorry. Fixed.

Louis Armstrong

(Contested -- July 8)

I was going to add the picture to Jazz (And still might), but it's so good that it deserves to go on the front page twice. And the article's good too. :) Snowspinner 06:11, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)

• Object-comparing to other featured biogarphies-this one needs work! Avala 09:16, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC) btw why do you delete my comments?
  • Stop making personal attacks (In any language) and I'll stop deleting them. Snowspinner 14:29, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • On what grounds? Ambivalenthysteria 09:51, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Avala, please read the top of the page. You have to explain your reasons for objecting, and they have to be actionable. →Raul654 11:23, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
      • ok ok I said it don`t be histerical :) Avala 13:15, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Excellent article. Ambivalenthysteria 09:51, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. This is an excellent article, and I think it deserves to become featured, but I have a few objections. The most important one is that 1) The image is copyrighted, and the reason for fair use is unclear. The other two are small objections: 2) No books are listed as a reference. There's mention of an autobiography in the quotes section; this should certainly be mentioned, but I'm sure there are many more books that could be mentioned for such a famous person. 3) The legacy section contains three paragraphs starting with "As". This looks a bit ugly, but I'll fix this myself when I have time today. Jeronimo 10:13, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I've tracked down the copyright holder of the image and correctly updated the image information and the caption. Since it is from a book of photos, which is our dicey middle ground on copyright, I e-mailed the copyright holder to double check for permission. Book info is being added as I type, and will be in in about five minutes. That should be your objections settled. :) Snowspinner 17:32, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • OK, I looked more - this is definitely fair use. Gottlieb, the copyright holder, has made it available through the LOC digital archive. He holds the copyright still, but this is clearly a non-commercial fair use. I've still e-mailed, and when I get a response I'll post that to the image page, but I'm sure we're fine. Snowspinner 18:09, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
    • Great, I'll remove that part of my objection in anticipation of that confirmation. Jeronimo 18:13, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I fixed the other two objections as well. Snowspinner 19:17, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
    • Support. Jeronimo 20:26, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support, because it is a fine profile of one the 20th century's most famous cultural icons, but with one small question mark: Should the the fact that an airport and a tennis court were named after him be included under "Legacy"? If this information is to be included, which personally I could do without, shouldn't it be listed elsewhere? -- Viajero 18:18, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. 1) Too obviously written by a fan and needs toning down for NPOV, particularly in the "Legacy" section, but also elsewhere: "The influence of Armstrong on the development of jazz is virtually immeasurable...irrepressible personality... virtuoso trumpet player, Armstrong had a unique tone and an extraordinary talent...masterful accompanist and ensemble player in addition to his extraordinary skills as a soloist. With his innovations, he raised the bar musically for all who came after him...Armstrong is considered to have essentially invented jazz singing...great dexterity as an improviser...greatly skilled...represent one of the greatest achievements of humanity." and so on. 2) There's little mention of any criticisms of him in the article (except the "King of The Zulus" paragraph), which is fine if noone has ever had any criticisms, but that seems unlikely for someone so prominent. 3) The article mentions his film career only in passing ("he...appeared in over thirty films."); I

realise that he's not really remembered for this work, but thirty films is significant enough to warrant a paragraph: what types of role did he take: acting, or performing? Any notable performances? — Matt 19:56, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• • I don't think your desire for criticism is actionable in its current form. That is to say, I don't know of any criticism of Armstrong, but it's impossible to "prove" this to be the case. If you know of criticism you would like added, I'd be happy to, but barring that, there's not a lot I can do. I can't really add information based only on speculation that it might exist. As for the NPOV... I respectfully disagree. I know of no one who seriously argues against Armstrong's influence, talent, or popularity. Part of the articles strength, I think, is it's lively language. NPOV is not a command for flat prose. Snowspinner 20:14, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm not objecting to a lively style, but I think this article veers, in places, too far towards "gushing" language: streams of praise and superlatives. It's entirely acceptable to go into detail as to why Louis Armstrong is such a giant in Jazz, but I think it has to be done carefully. I'd like to hear other people's thoughts, though.— Matt 23:02, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • As to criticisms, I did some digging on the web, and came up with a few. Most relate to accusations of being an "Uncle Tom", also mentioned in the edit pointed out by Viajero below, so I think some more extended discussion about that would be appropriate. I found things like "[Sammy] Davis [Jr] criticized Armstrong ... saying "You cannot voice an opinion about a situation which is basically discrimination, integration, etc. and then go out and appear before segregated audiences ... which Louis Armstrong had done for many years." Davis went on to criticize Armstrong for singing a song using the word darkies. It must be added that Davis was quoted as saying, quite condescendingly: "Louis Armstrong has always been regarded--let me be as kind as I possibly can; I think Louis Armstrong first of all is a great talent--great, as much as I hate the wordage, a great credit to his race, but he has also been regarded by his race as a man who . . . well . . .""

[1] (http://www.rhino.com/features/liners/75972lin5.lasso) and "Armstrong was criticized from certain quarters throughout his career for “playing the clown” onstage, i.e., for performing a minstrel act." [2] (http://www.deadmule.com/content/word.of.mule.php?content_id=740). — Matt 23:02, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• • • Musically, there seemed to have been some criticism too: " Armstrong's retreat into traditional New Orleans music during the latter part of his career embittered fans and musicians who had once praised his dazzling contributions. He churned out endless versions of "Basin Street Blues," "Do You Know What It Means to Miss New Orleans," and "St. Louis Blues," often employing players who weren't even close to being equals. Armstrong viewed himself as a popular entertainer; he mugged and clowned relentlessly in live performance, to the point that he embarrassed ultra-serious or militant jazz types. Unlike Charles Mingus or Max Roach, who didn't hesitate to speak out against racist injustices, Armstrong seldom made public political comments." [3] (http://weeklywire.com/ww/07-17-00/nash_music-records.html) — Matt 23:02, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I've added a few lines here and there to the effect described. Hopefully this satisfies objections? Snowspinner 00:07, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
        • You've added "For the most part, however, his later output was criticized as being overly simplistic or repetitive.". — Matt 00:17, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
          • Ack! I didn't notice that one of my two edits hadn't submitted. I added a paragrah to "Life" as well. It should actually be there now. Snowspinner 00:20, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
            • Ah, thought it was a little strange! Thanks, that certainly helps. I'll mull the "style/tone" thing over a bit, and hopefully have other people's comments. (I've also added a query about his film career). I think this is quite a respectable article, by the way, it's just good to beat on it a bit to make it as good as possible! — Matt 00:50, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
              • Movies are fixed. Snowspinner 01:12, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
    • FWIW: Up until about ten days ago, there was a section called something like "Was Armstrong an Uncle Tom" which had various criticisms, but it was rmoved by user Stevertigo: Information Guide.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Louis_Armstrong&diff=4305490&oldid=4305483 (http://en.Ireland). Perhaps, Matt, you would like to review that edit and see if there is anything worth restoring. Otherwise, I agree with Snowspinner. -- Viajero 20:38, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Comment: Had no notice of Featured article candidate status until I added one today. -- Infrogmation 20:49, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Pictures

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Articles missing pictures

• Anno Domini
• Application programming interface
• C programming language
• Computational complexity theory
• Computer security
• Donegal fiddle tradition
• Gram Parsons
• Have I Got News For You
• History of the English penny
• Illegal prime
• Indus Valley Civilization
• Lollapalooza
• Menstrual cycle
• Milgram experiment
• Negligence
• Not the Nine O'Clock News
• Palm Sunday Tornado Outbreak (image of too-low quality)
• Pattern welding
• Peer review
• Quantum mechanics
• Roy Orbison (image of too-low quality)
• Social history of the piano
• Vacuous truth
• World Wide Web
• Spamming (Can of spam is trademark violation)

These now have pictures

• Ackermann function - use pic of equation
• Adoption in Rome - done by a anon user Muriel G 11:08, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• ASCII (a lame one)
• Christianity
• Copyright
• Damascus steel
• Economics
• Éire
• Free will
• Freemasonry
• Irish poetry
• Irish theatre
• Japan general election, 2003
• Java programming language
• Jazz (still needs free image)
• Jim Henson (still needs free image)
• Korean name - use Image:Hangul_seong.png
• Madonna (singer) (still needs free image)
• Markup language (well, sort-of; suitable for main page? James F. (talk) 15:02, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)) (don't see why not Lupin 00:37, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC))
• Mitochondrial Eve
• Peloponnesian War
• Portuguese language
• Quantum computer
• Radar
• Race - use tangentially connected picture Image:MLKJR.jpg - was removed again - Added composite image from FBI mugshots. -- Chris 73 | Talk 09:39, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Road transport
• Schizophrenia
• Search engine
• Split infinitive
• Telephone exchange
• Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius
• Tuberculosis
• Vampire
• Charles Ives
• Algorithm
• Action potential
• Crime fiction
• Franks (image of too-low quality) - Added image of charlemagne
• Hebrew calendar